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RAY SUAREZ: We get the perspectives of three ambassadors to the
United States: From Egypt, Nabil Fahmy, from Morocco, Abdallah El-Maaroufi,
and from Tunisia, Hatem Atallah.
Well, I'm sure, gentlemen, you heard the President's speech last
night. He was very careful to say that this was not a war, a
struggle, against Islam. What did you make of the speech, Mr.
Ambassador?
NABIL FAHMY, Ambassador, Egypt: I think the President made three
very important points. One, he was clear in his determination to
combat and eradicate terrorism. Secondly he made the point that you
were referring to, that this is not a war against Islam or the Arab
world, and thirdly, that this will require an international effort
because these are trends which exist internationally and which have
to be resolved through international effort; that's something which
we support.
RAY SUAREZ: When he asked for help, is Egypt able to give him the
kind of help he's looking for?
NABIL FAHMY: We have already been providing help since day one
and will continue to do so.
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Not a war against Islam
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RAY SUAREZ: Mr. Ambassador?
ABDALLAH EL-MAAROUFI, Ambassador, Morocco: I was impressed with
at least three points that the President made yesterday. One is that
the campaign that's envisaged is a lengthy one and that great
prudence and great patience will be required to target the guilty
and to avoid punishing the innocent. The second is, of course, the
point about the fact that the enemy is not the Muslim faith but
rather a group of radical terrorists, and the President went out of
his way to emphasize that Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance
and does not condone the kind of terrorist activity that went on in
New York and in Washington. And the third point is that he
reiterated what he had said, and other officials had said, about the
need for Americans to avoid harassing and attacking innocent Muslims
or Arabs or Arab-Americans or Muslim-Americans simply because of the
way they look or their dress or because they have different beliefs.
RAY SUAREZ: The President also was pretty specific about wanting
certain kinds of help from countries like yours: Intelligence, aid
in tracking the movements of people who might be involved with these
groups. Is Morocco willing to help the United States in this way?
ABDALLAH EL-MAAROUFI: We've always stood with the United States
in times good and bad. And I think in this case we have been helpful
in the past and we will continue to be helpful in the future. The
specifics, of course, will be, you know, worked out in detailed
discussions in other forum. Certainly we are ready to be helpful in
this effort.
RAY SUAREZ: Ambassador Atallah?
HATEM ATALLAH, Ambassador, Tunisia: Thank you, Ray. Indeed the
speech yesterday made by President Bush was extremely explicit,
especially when it came to the international nature of this
phenomena or this scourge. He also explained very clearly that there
is not something very specific to a culture, to a region or to a
religion. And I think that is extremely important because we're
dealing with something that has no borders -- that knows no
territorial limits. I think it makes no distinctions between
nationalities. I think that point was extremely important, and the
President made it very, very clear. He also made clear that because
we're dealing with an international cross-border phenomena, we also
are seeking international cooperation. And I think this is extremely
important because this is something that is not new that happened
just yesterday. This is something that has been going on for a
certain period of time. And I think an international stand, like the
one being called for by President Bush, is extremely important. And
it is something that my country, Tunisia, has been calling for, for
a long time. We will certainly support the United States. We have
expressed our support to the United States, and we will certainly
continue down that road.
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Differing opinions within countries
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RAY SUAREZ: Is there a risk inside your own country of making a
public declaration of your willingness to work with the United
States against these groups? Are there differences of opinion in
your own country?
HATEM ATALLAH: Differences of opinion, I think, there exists
differences of opinion in any society, in democratic society around
the world today. The problem of extremism in Tunisia has been
solved. My President already spoke about it a long time ago. We have
dismantled anything that existed in the country. We faced that
problem, but we dealt with it. We dismantled everything that existed
in our territory back already in the early '90s. At that time, the
President of Tunisia had already spoken about the adoption of an
international code of conduct to fight terrorism. And I think it is
important that the international community today just stands
together. This is a problem that is for the international community
to deal with.
RAY SUAREZ: Ambassador Fahmy, is there risk in Egypt because of
the problems you face from your own groups that are working against
the government?
NABIL FAHMY: As you know, we have been a target of terrorism in
the past, and we've taken forceful measures against terrorism. At
the same time, we recognized
early on that in order to truly eradicate this problem, one has to
work internationally and regionally with its partners. There may be
differences of opinion on this, but I truly believe that the
widespread position of the community is to work with determination
in complete transparency against terrorism. I find no real problem
with that.
RAY SUAREZ: But a group in Egypt, Islamic Jihad, was specifically
mentioned by the President. It's rumored to be a close ally, even in
partnership with Osama bin Laden's Al Qaeda movement. Have you been
able to penetrate this movement? Can you give help to the United
States?
NABIL FAHMY: Let me clarify that. The group has among its targets
to take actions against the Egyptian government. It is not a group
working out of Egypt. Actually it's a group today working from
abroad trying to enter Egypt again. This has been one of the groups
that we have worked regularly and with determination with our
European partners to try to deal with the terrorists that have been
traveling in different European countries to try to arrest them,
extradite them. So we are determined to pursue this. They are our
enemy as well and, yes, we will cooperate with the U.S. on this.
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Words from the Islamic Council
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RAY SUAREZ: Ambassador El-Maaroufi, the President of the United
States made his intentions plain on what he would expect from
countries in the region, but yesterday the Islamic Council in
Afghanistan also made its expectations clear. It said that any
action against Muslims from a non-Muslim country would be perceived
as an attack against the entire Muslim people. And I'm wondering how
that will be heard in Morocco.
ABDALLAH EL-MAAROUFI: Well, I think Morocco is a land of
moderation and tolerance. And I think we have stood against
international terrorism. We stand against the killing of innocent
people. We have particularity in Morocco that the king is both the
temporal leader and the commander of the faithful or the spiritual
leader. So most Moroccans look to him for spiritual guidance and
look to him for spiritual direction. And he, like his father and his
grandfather before him, has been a force for tolerance and
moderation. Secondly, I think as my colleagues said, Morocco is a
democracy. And we have a democratically elected parliament with
representation from a large number of political parties, including
Islamic parties. We also have a very vibrant civil society with
dozens of newspapers and, you know, hundreds of non-governmental
organizations. So, Moroccans have many, many ways of expressing
their views. And I don't think there is any problem that I foresee
in supporting the government's position in support of the United
States.
RAY SUAREZ: Are there popular movements that would find an open
working against the bin Laden organization or against Afghanistan's
interests contrary to what it sees as a course for Morocco to take?
ABDALLAH EL-MAAROUFI: I don't think there are groups within
Morocco which would find it difficult to fight international
terrorism or which would fight against people who take innocent
lives. So in that sense I don't think there are any groups that
would find it difficult to target terrorists who kill innocent
people.
RAY SUAREZ: Ambassador, what about Tunisia?
HATEM ATALLAH: Well, I think
we share exactly the same opinion that my colleagues have expressed
here. And, as I said before, this is not specific to any culture, is
not specific to any region. This is an international phenomena, and
it needs to be dealt with on the international level. As far as
Tunisia is concerned, I expressed earlier and I do reiterate the
fact that we have faced this scourge before and we dealt with it. In
Tunisia today, we do not have any groups or any extremist group of
any nature in our territory. The people that still preach that kind
of activities are in other countries abroad, but as far as Tunisia
is concerned, the territory, we have dismantled everything and we
have dealt with that problem already.
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Not a new issue
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RAY SUAREZ: Can the United States expect help with tracking the
movements of suspects, cracking down on money laundering, that kind
of thing, Ambassador Fahmy?
NABIL FAHMY: All of these same issues are issues we have been
raising for years to really deal with terrorism and terrorists we
have to work together. They will move from one country or another.
We've been asking for that so naturally we will help in that as
well.
ABDALLAH EL-MAAROUFI: I was going to say that the exact specifics
of our contribution, you know, will be determined, you know, in due
course. But I think, you know, we are ready to be supportive. As
Ambassador Fahmy said, this will require a multi-faceted and
multi-lateral approach and different people will provide assistance
in different areas as and where they can.
RAY SUAREZ: So those
negotiations are already underway or waiting for consultations from
your government? Where do they stand?
HATEM ATALLAH: Well, I mean, certainly there will be at one point
discussions between our two governments on the issue. At this point
we are not aware of any specific requests coming from the United
States government. But I would like, Ray, if you'd permit me just 30
seconds to say that, just to add a little bit to what my colleague
was saying here -- that we're looking here at an issue that needs a
multi-faceted approach. It needs an approach that deals with
specific areas. Like the President was saying yesterday, we're
looking at a problem that needs to be dealt with on a diplomatic
level, on the financial level, on the economic level, and on any
other level, the security included. So we're looking at an
international effort that needs to come from different regions of
the world, from different countries of the world but also from
different levels of activity.
RAY SUAREZ: Ambassadors, thank you for joining us.
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